Elizabeth Keenan, who is working on a book about 90s nostalgia. One of our favorite topics! We ended up talking a lot about sex. One of our other favorite topics!
So, Ada, we had a great interview today with Dr.
On that tip, I finally forced myself to read the Caitlin Flanagan article that neither of us could initially bear. It’s mainly about the dangers of today’s hookup culture, a subject that has really already been covered ad nauseam. One of my problems with this piece is that much of it is based on adult paranoia, rather than what is really going on with teenagers. (This is something I wrote about for you once, back when Oprah was losing her mind over so-called “rainbow parties.”)
My even bigger problem with the piece is that Flanagan assumes that teenage girls don’t really experience sexual desire. Instead, they are natural romantics who have been “forced into a sexual knowingness.” She also says that: “Unlike the girls of my era, who looked forward to sex, not as a physical pleasure (although it would—eventually—become that for most of us), but as a way of becoming ever closer to our boyfriends, these girls are preparing themselves for acts and experiences that are frightening, embarrassing, uncomfortable at best, painful at worst. These girls aren’t embracing sex, all evidence to the contrary. They’re terrified of it.”
To all of this I say: speak for yourself, lady.
speaking of self-involved: one more picture of us
Ada, I had so many favorite EMP moments, many of which were somehow related to the post-panel after-party, at which I drank a number of Fat Tire beers out of a can in a roomful of music nerds whose idea of a good time is drinking and parsing Ke$ha’s weird cultural tourism–a topic I will take on once I watch this video. But in the meantime, during some of my self-involved self-googling (soooooo 90swoman), I found this blog post on our EMP panel. It says:
“This was the panel that fired up the most passionate questions from its audience: Women still angry about body size mattering so much for women in the public; the idea that the Internet has replaced homemade DIY music and print culture; and the digital divide itself, the fact that so many young women don’t have access to computers or the ability to network out of their class.” Continue reading
"Angry White Female." That's pretty 90s.
So, Ada, I asked Marisa (our friend, fellow EMP panelist, my Sassy book co-author, and author of Girl Power: The Nineties Revolution in Music) if she wanted to chat with me about the much-maligned Alanis Morissette. There are lots of feminist Alanis-haters, and while Marisa and I very much like some of them, we are die-hard defenders of Alanis and her feminist importance. As far as I am concerned, she is a total 90swoman! For real! We thought maybe 90swoman readers would be interested in why. So here goes.
Kara: So there is a big discussion on tumblr about Jessica Hopper’s blog post on women and music. We know Jessica and are fans of her writing. And you were saying that you are totally with her for most of it.
Marisa: I was and am. I mean: “Feminism has to move on, salute new icons, be excited by the varieties of archetypes of women in music, be they Gaga or Nite Jewel, that are self-directed, self-produced, not operating under the shadow of a Svengali hand.” YES. I am right there with her.
Kara: TOTALLY. But there is one thing neither one of us agree with and it is…..
Bridget Everett: still the 90s-est woman alive. Watch it!
matt damon as a stay-at-home dad? it could happen
Ada, we’ve talked a lot on this blog about 90swomen making more money than their male partners. We have not talked about how the NYT‘s David Brooks is a total un-90s-ish reactionary. Here he is talking to Gail Collins about what young men should do given the sad state of jobs in the current economy.
Gail Collins: I think they should also be encouraged to stay home with the kids. In fact, we should celebrate it. In the grand sweep of American lifestyle choices, stay-at-home fatherhood is possibly the only one that doesn’t get eulogized in our popular culture. I want to see the Bachelorette questioning her suitors on how many years they’d be willing to set aside for full-time childraising. I want a movie in which Matt Damon stays home while Beyoncé goes out to work. He can capture an escaped terrorist during the hours when the kids are in preschool.
David Brooks: In theory, I agree with you. Men should be staying home more. But I do think for many working-class men, we will find ourselves running into some pretty stiff headwinds. I come back to evolutionary psychology, which suggests that women are just more nurturing. Continue reading
Ada, I wanted to post a few of my favorite links to stories and posts about Marisa’s book on the 90s, feminism, and music.
This is partly because Girl Power is about many of the issues we talk about here; partly because Marisa is my friend and co-author and one of the big messages of 90s feminism was that girls should support one another; and partly because I am trying to bury that mortifying fireman post I still can’t believe you talked me into. (But what’s more 90swoman than embracing public humiliation?)
Anyway, here are some of my favorite things Marisa said in some of her interviews that are not necessarily representative, although they may be representative of why I like her.
On the preponderance of female frontwomen with guy bands (ie. No Doubt) in Salon: “It’s like when friends change their names when they get married. I don’t think they are bad people, but there’s this little part of me that just wishes it were a little different.”